Interview with Fabio R. de Araujo
Today, Tyler R. Tichelaar of Reader Views is pleased to interview Fabio de Araujo, who is here to discuss his new book “2012: The Year of Changes.” Fabio R. de Araujo is a Brazilian historian who has been researching prophecies for twenty years, reading prophecies in English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, and Latin, many of them found in libraries in different countries, primarily in Europe. In 2009, he had a book published in Germany (“Prophezeiungen über das Ende der Welt”) about mythology and prophecies, which sold thousands of copies and reached the 1st position in Amazon.de for some time, among the books about prophecies. The author has had books and articles published in Brazil, Germany, the US, the UK, and Australia. He was included in the Wikipedia in Russian about Nostradamus because of one of his controversial theories—that Putin could fit the position for the Antichrist, according to his interpretation of prophecies. Fabio de Araujo is the author of “Selected Prophecies and Prophets” and “Mother Shipton: Secrets, Lies, and Prophecies.” “2012: The Year of the Changes” is his latest work. Tyler: Welcome, Fabio. It’s a pleasure to talk to you today. Of course, by now most people have heard about the Mayan Prophecies for 2012 but I still don’t think a lot of people are really clear about what those prophecies say—is it the end of the world like the movie “2012” seems to suggest? Will you sum up the prophecies for us?
Tyler: Thanks, Fabio. What first made you interested in exploring prophecies? Fabio: A premonition. About twenty years ago, I was studying Software Engineering at a local University, reading a book in the library. When I looked through a window, a film similar to a thought without my control began to play inside my mind and I kept “watching that film.” I quit the University and almost forgot the event without understanding it. Months later, I realized that that thought was a premonition when the film became reality. This event impressed me and I began to read books about prophecy to try to understand it. I also thought that maybe some prophets had experienced something similar to what had happened to me. There is no University course about prophecies and I had to study it myself. I saved money to visit European libraries, learned languages to read prophecies in different languages, bought hundreds of books in different languages, including rare books. Today I think that a small part of prophecies are really authentic. There are many fabrications, many studies about prophecies, which are not real prophecies, but the 5-10 percent of authentic prophecies reveal something about the future, similar to puzzle pieces that need to be put together to reveal an image, maybe incomplete. Tyler: Fabio, do people generally respect or seem interested in your work in prophecies or do you get people who scoff at it? Why should we take prophecies seriously? Fabio: There are all kind of people out there. People who believe in UFOs and people who think UFO believers are crazy. People who research well a certain subject and people who don’t know much or know nothing about it. Prophecy, premonition, prediction in general are in a gray area. So there will be people who may scoff at it, even at scientific predictions. Most of these people aren’t open to new things. They may be very religious people, for example. I need to add that I don’t see myself as someone who needs to convince people to believe in this or in that. I’m trying to connect science to prophecy and trying to do a scientific job. I know this is hard. The fact is that never before in history has a US President been so much predicted. Maybe never before in the global history has a Western leader been so much predicted. Jesus Christ had a few prophecies about him in Old Testament, but not much more than Obama. So four or five authentic prophecies about a man means a lot. There is a special moment going on and if someone wants to miss this special moment, that’s up to him or her. This special moment is the main point of my book, although there are also prophecies about Putin, the third war, and a new age. Nobody can change the past so if someone doesn’t believe in a prophecy about Obama that has already been fulfilled, it’s a little weird, and maybe those people just aren’t very smart. My book is not only about prophecies related to the future, but about prophecies that are being fulfilled today—Obama, the economic situation, and maybe Putin. Many people still believe in creationism and think the Earth is older than the sun, even though science has shown it’s not. Who will convince these people? Not me. Tyler: Your book considers many other prophecies and especially focuses on the politics to take place in 2012. Can you tell us about the political predictions for those years? Fabio: Well, the prophecies are not very clear, but I would risk saying that Obama and Putin will be reelected. Concerning Obama, based on two prophecies, I believe Barack Obama might be reelected. I will explain why I think so. An Italian prophecy printed in the 1940s compares a future president in the moment of a global economic crisis that seems to be Obama to Roosevelt. Both Roosevelt and Obama became U.S. Presidents and tried to fix a crisis they didn’t cause using a number of tools and social support. Many newspapers in the US compared these two Presidents, mainly in the first 100 days of Obama as President. Both were even called socialists. Roosevelt was reelected. So maybe Obama will be. Another prophecy about Obama and a possible reelection is one written in 1926. This was a novel written in Brazil called “The Black President,” about a Democrat black president who wins, initially beating a blond woman (from the same party) and later a white man from the opposite party, the Republicans. The black president becomes the US President in 2228, a year similar to 2008. According to the book, at that time the US population will be 314 million people. Today it’s about 310 million and it will be 314 not far from 2012. So, because of these two prophecies, my conclusion and interpretation is that Obama will be reelected. I know his chances don’t seem good today. Nobody seems to support him and everyone blames him for the current US economic situation. Anyway, I predicted he would be elected in 2008 to an American magazine based on this 2228 prophecy and I was right. The article can be found on the Internet. The 2228 book also predicted racial issues, the growth of China, people irradiating their work (today the Internet allows sending a job through radio waves) and other curious things, although the book has some wrong predictions. It’s a novel and as all novels about the future with some correct predictions, it also includes wrong predictions. But the correct ones in the 2228 are amazing, in my viewpoint. This is why I included these two prophecies in my book. Concerning Putin, there are a few prophecies that make me think that he will be reelected and remain maybe twelve years ruling Russia, two times six years per term. This is a long time. This former KGB spy must have plans to do many things during all this time as President. Tyler: Do you think Obama and Putin have already demonstrated behavior or actions that are in alignment with the prophecies? Fabio: Maybe. Once I read in the newspapers that his wife was in Spain alone and the article insinuated marriage problems. I found a prophecy by Nostradamus about a “young black man put against his soul by the red partially destroyed and by marriage dreams.” This prophecy was printed in London in 1560. Moreover the 1926 novel called “The Black President” writes about racial issues while the “black president” is president. The issue in Arizona was seen as a racial issue by some people in the US. There was an American bishop who even compared the issue to the Jews in Germany in the 1930s. The book predicts a violent racial conflict, which didn’t happen, but as I said, the prophecies aren’t always accurate. But a racial issue in his government was predicted. He was involved in another racial issue when a cop arrested a black man trying to enter in a house and he said something hard about arresting the black man, who was the real owner of the house. So as I know prophecies aren’t accurate, in my view this prophecy was fulfilled. Tyler: You made a name for yourself by suggesting Putin may be the prophesied Antichrist, which is a Christian prophecy —have you found that different traditions—Mayan prophecies versus Christian ones and those from other cultures—are often in agreement with one another about the future, despite religious and cultural differences? Fabio: Yes, in a general way they are in agreement. There are prophecies from different religions and civilizations about a final war between the good and the evil ones, about a future natural catastrophe, about three days of darkness (smoke from the Earth, volcanoes etc.), about a change in the nature, including the temperature (global warming etc.), about a future leader who is seen as the King of the World who comes to save the country where the prophecy is made. The Antichrist seems to be an exception. Basically there are Christian prophecies about the Antichrist. A few Muslim prophecies mention the Antichrist too, but probably because of Christian influence. Tyler: I know you discuss that some of the prophecies are fabricated. Can you tell us how to tell the difference between a true and a fabricated prophecy? Fabio: It’s not easy to know which ones are fabricated. Many good writers and researchers make confusion. In my case, I used the scientific way historians use to research documentation. The way to do this is through what historians call critic of authenticity. Basically the writer needs to research the prophecy to find out if it is authentic. If the source (manuscript or printed book) can be found it is a good point. Questions such as “Did the prophet really exist?” or “Did he really have this vision or did someone create it an attribute it to him?” need to be asked and ideally an answer should be found. This is what probably happened in George Washington’s vision; someone created his vision and attributed to him. If you just read the vision and include it in a book without more research, you may be stating something that is not true, historically speaking. Concerning Barack Obama, for example, the fabrications were created in 2008 and 2009. The authentic prophecies are tens or hundreds of years old. Tyler: Fabio, is there a difference between a prophecy and a prediction? Fabio: A prediction may also be used in a scientific way. For example, New York University Professor Bruce de Bueno Mesquita does scientific predictions for the CIA using mathematical formulae and game theory and he is 90 percent of the times right. Professor Immanuel Wallerstein predicted the end of capitalism for a year close to 2050 in his book “Historical Capitalism and Capitalist Civilization,” published in 2003. In the past scholars usually didn’t like predictions very much. Hegel and Max Weber, both University Professors in Germany, were some of them. I think it was Weber, who said something like “scholars don’t predict things.” Today, scientists think differently and many think it’s possible to predict the future based on scientific facts. Professor Eric Hobsbawm is one of them, as he says in his chapter about predictions in his book “On History,” published in 1998. A prediction is also used as a synonym for prophecy or premonition. A prophecy is usually seen as something big (maybe global) and unrelated to science, because it can’t be repeated in a laboratory. A prophet usually doesn’t control when a prophecy comes. It may come through a vision, a thought, a voice, a dream etc. As I said, I began to study prophecy because of a premonition, which was a film inside my mind without my control. I’m forty-three and it happened just once in my life. I suppose it will never happen again. It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, just because it never happened to someone. Just because we can’t see the hidden side of the moon, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, as many people thought in the past. Parapsychology Institutes try to study prophecy and premonition scientifically and these two are the most common parapsychological phenomena they meet. Tyler: Fabio, why do you think some people are able to prophesy while most people can’t—or even in your case, was there a special condition that allowed you to have the one premonition you experienced? Fabio: I’m not sure about this. What I believe today is that some conditions may trigger something in the minds of some people. For example, a dream. Many people have premonitory dreams. My wife just had a weird dream today with the spirit of an old friend who died five years ago in Africa, after waiting five years to dream with him, because she dreams from time to time with friends who die. I can’t. She can. So one factor is the person. Another factor may be a matter, such as water. In my case, when the film was playing inside my mind, I was looking toward a kind of lake through a window. Thousands of years ago, people used different methods of hydromancy. Nostradamus mentions he used water. This is just an example of elements that could trigger a vision or thought or idea about the future. But another important point is that many people don’t want to know the future and others do. Jules Verne and other writers, many years ago, when they were trying to write something about the future for their novels, began to write real things that were in fact prophecies. What did they do? Were they special people skilled to see the future? Probably not. All they did is that they tried to imagine how the future could be. So I guess mentality and open mind count. Try to think that it’s impossible to remember what you did last week. Do a good job and you will convince yourself and you won’t remember anything, so that every time something is coming to your mind you will block it. Now do the opposite, trying to remember the most you can and you will remember funny and good moments. Tyler: Is there one prophet or set of prophecies you have found to be more reliable than others, such as Nostradamus’ prophecies, perhaps? Fabio: It’s hard to say. I think Nostradamus caused the opposite effect and many people don’t believe in prophecies because of hundreds of writers who wrote about Nostradamus worldwide, creating incredible interpretations which were almost always wrong. There are many other prophets who are much more direct and clear than Nostradamus. For example, I would say German prophet Alois Irlmaier, who was known in Germany as the German Nostradamus, may have said things that will have high degree of accuracy, including chemical Russian bombs being used in Germany, and the third war connection to 899, who could be August 99, meaning Putin, but I’m not totally sure about this too. The truth is that most of the prophecies are wrong and just a few of them, maybe 5 percent, are real and authentic and will be really fulfilled. This is another reason why many people don’t believe in prophecies. Unfortunately, thinking it’s impossible to know the future cuts the 5 percent link between our mind and the future, which exists. Who loses? The guys who cut it. Their decision, they miss. Tyler: What do you plan to turn your attention to next Fabio? Are you busy writing another book or will you write more about the 2012 prophecies as you watch to see if the prophecies come true? Fabio: I’m currently reading about prophecies and international relations. At the moment, I’m just trying to spread the word about this book, doing radio interviews, writing articles etc. I have no plans to write another book at the moment. Tyler: When we reach the year 2013, how do you think the world will be different than it is today? Fabio: Probably not much. Maybe the US will be a little better, economically speaking, and Europe a little worse. The economic situation in Europe today is not very good. They have a huge international debt and I have no idea about how they will be able to pay their debt. In many European countries, when a baby is born he/she is more than $100,000 USD in debt to other countries or to organizations out of the country. In rich Luxembourg and Monaco, this value is above one million dollars. This is the highest per capita international debt in the world, if I’m not mistaken. All European countries currently have a huge international debt—top of the world. So I really don’t believe Greece, Spain, Portugal, and maybe other European countries will have a good time in the following years. They can’t print money and their economy is indexed to the euro; all they can do is tax people and people don’t like being taxed more and more. I believe this is a euro-tunnel that will lead us to a very bad moment, but not in 2012. Probably in the years after 2012, maybe even in the 2020s. Tyler: Thank you for the opportunity to interview you today, Fabio. Before you go, will you tell us about your website and what additional information we may find there about “2012: The Year of Changes”? Fabio: The book website is www.obamaandputin.com. In this website there is information about this book and a link to B&N’s website. In the website there are reviews, a synopsis about the book etc. It will be published in November 2010. So far it may be found in Barnes & Noble’s pre-order page only. My personal website is www.fabio.info. Tyler: Thank you, Fabio, for the interesting interview today. I feel I’ve learned a lot about prophecies and I’ll be anxious to see just what happens in 2012.
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